After that section it goes into much more specific detail by listing individual commands. But if that's still too many words, here's a general description: JJ2+ fixes a lot of bugs and adds a lot of things, both clientside and serverside.

The readme is a bit disorganized but it gives a concise description of what the program does, and gives a brief description of how it works. The bit I quoted should probably be in the original post of this thread though. The part of the readme that explains how it works is kind of fragmented (note 1, note 2, note 3, etc) but its pretty simple. It just loads a special .dll file that contains all the fixes. You have two options: either create a special jazz2.exe so the dll loads automatically, or load it manually.

Edit: And sorry if my response was a bit rude, since it basically amounted to "rtfm". I still stand by that reasoning however, as it is somewhat annoying to ask what a program does when the documentation is readily available. Saying "I read the manual but don't understand this or that" is perfectly acceptable of course. The important thing is to at least give it a shot, since otherwise the best you can usually expect is no response at all to your questions... other than something very vague like my original comment, or "read the manual", of course. Explaining things that have already been explained in the documentation isn't fun, especially when it seems like the person asking the question doesn't even care enough to bother checking it first. It kind of wears on you if you deal with this sort of thing a lot.

My impression of Mono's posts was more that if someone comes across the thread, they're not going to know what is being presented to them without after downloading it, which seems the wrong time to tell you what you'll be downloading. Information has gradually appeared in the thread itself, but only now anything detailed, and you must admit that the first post was absolutely devoid of reasons given to download the file.
That said, this looks like an amazing program and it does seem true that this is what 1.25 is supposed to be for. All the colorful commands and announcements get really annoying after a while, but I'll live.

I'm still seriously disappointed by the lack of Single Player/general purpose improvements.

But it's nice for multiplayer games, I guess.

Sounds great. Just one question: if the plusifier works, i don't need plus.exe, do i?

der Unhit ist r8

Well, I guess it's not really stable, but I just hosted a game, closed the server after a while, wanted to save the chatlog, but when I was saving the whole thing crashed. Is it normal, cuz I don't really want to use a program that wont let me save my (precious precious) chatlogs.

Ich danke dir! Hail!

This should be fixed in the next update, assuming I know what the problem is. In the meanwhile, you should be able to save chatlogs in the same directory that JJ2's exe is in. If you still crash, mention that here.

Can anyone post a screenshot of this with a brief description? Would be very neat...


Thx

mirrow

That was exactly my problem.

wtf robert...

I think there isn't much of a celebration since people have been messing with JJ2 patches for years now, so that diminishes the excitement. And although bug fixes are awesome, people probably aren't going to make sweeping changes like adding in the capability for mods and stuff. As such, people tend to download and use this stuff, but not get excited since it'd be like being joyous when Warcraft III updates to 1.18c or something.

that'd be a crazy update though because WC3 is on 1.21b


@ Topic: I'm actually happy about this program. Especially because you don't need to run any additional programs any more :)

Single player improvements would be nice, but there's really not much demand for it. Consider that there aren't very many people who actually release single player stuff (I'm talking about things that actually get finished, not projects that are started and left incomplete), and most of the people who are working on things will want their work to be accessible to as many people as possible. For me that means vanilla jj2, 1.23 or 1.24. No special hacks required to play it.

I'm sure a lot of other people who make levels think the same way. A good single player project takes at least a few months to make from start to finish unless you're some kind of machine, and you don't want to put in that kind of time investment when only a couple hundred people will even be able to play it.

Because of this I don't think it's really worth blur's time to put in a bunch of single player specific features in JJ2+ which will only be used a tiny amount, even though I have to admit I'd like to see just what could be done. Better to focus on multiplayer, where virtually everyone can benefit from it immediately.

In my opinion, if there's ever going to be a jj2 hack or patch that expands the single player game, it's going to have to actually come from someone working on a single player project.

I updated the topic to make it slightly more helpful. If anyone wants to post any screenshots showing JJ2+ in action, please do so. The best ones will be added to the opening post.

Also, just to make sure this doesn't go unnoticed:

Sounds like a false alarm.

I know Unhit. The problem is 1.21b was a huge update, since you don't need a cd to play anymore. That's something worth getting excited about.

This is what I was looking for in the first post. Thanks Mike.

I also can't spectate somehow. It says: >> Error: Spectating is not enabled
when I type /spectate on

If you are on your own server, you must put /spectating on first, and if you are on another jj2 server, then the server didn't enable spectating.

Yeah the command is /spectating. You can also edit the ini.

I know, I know, but even things like JJ2 crashing when you have > $x episode files in your JJ2 dir were left unfixed. A full-fledged scripting language or something is probably too ambitious, especially for a team that practically consists of one man, but I'd like to see relatively easy-to-fix (I think) bugs like that one fixed too.

If it's of any joy, that problem has been discussed a few times... It's just about prioritizing. I sort of feel like seeing if there's anything I can do about that particular problem right now, but on the other hand, I feel lazy :(

Yeah, actually I came up with some ideas to Blur sometime ago as after seeing all the cool stuff being done in MP I started feeling somewhat limited with my SP levels. I guess there's always a way around, but then again why not make things easier?

Seeing /spectating off in every version is such a great loss as its such a great function :(

Ah... blinking (you know when you are hurt) and that carrot corona thing (when you get a carrot) are not working; I still get hurt. Also I allways thought assassination was a costum mode.. isn't it? There is no command to it. Or is it hosted as some other costum mode? death CTF?

Assassination has always been just plain CTF in a fancy level.

Well, it dosent work when I host it in regular ctf D:

As a reply to Blur's message:

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@master sven: If you're on your own server, you need to type '/spectating on' to enable spectating. Once you did, then type '/spectate on' to spectate.
If you're on another server, then the host needs to enable spectating. Once they did, typing '/spectate on' will allow you to spectate.

Jimbob, those screenshots are good, though if you want to hide IP's, it would look better if you either blur them or don't show them at all. Also, the hearts look misleading--have you considered restoring your Anims file?

Using /capturewait off should allow Assassination levels to work.

You're right about that problem. There are actually a whole bunch of menu problems in jj2. Like for example, how you are dumped to the main menu after exiting a multiplayer game instead of being dumped to the serverlist, and how if you have too many episode files jj2 crashes (as you mentioned), and how home cooked levels can only display 255 levels.

I remember hearing that those problems are actually somewhat harder to fix than it seems, since the menu is handled separately from the game itself, so it would require a bunch more research to be done. Some people know way more about this than I do though; everything I am saying is second hand.

In the mean time, this program http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...p?levelID=3316 fixes the ingame level list well enough. It's a launcher for jj2 levels. Lets you select difficulty level and character. It's basically a complete replacement for home cooked levels. It also has support for episode files (no images though). In fact even if JJ2+ eventually fixes the menus, captain cook will probably still be easier to use.

I find it annoying in CTF servers. CTF games are problematic when people aren't playing, since it screws up the team balance. That's what idlekick is for, but idlekick won't kick spectators. The option is fine for battle games, but imo it should always be left off in ctf mode. Also it can potentially screw up custom gametype levels with a lot of triggers. Perhaps it should still be enabled by default though, I can't tell which is better. It's easy to edit the ini in any case.

Speaking of ini options, why is multiversion off by default? It lets people from 1.23 and 1.24 join your server, with no sprite glitches (unless lori joins a 1.23 server, but who seriously uses lori). There is virtually no drawback to turning it on other than a potential flood of polish people. I really think this option should be on by default.

It doesn't have to be allowed in events and such, also it is a choice for the host to use it. But I personally love to look at duels/2v2s like that very much ;)

And it might be off because theres 500 TSF players usually. Your server would be full of Polish noobs you can't understand in no time. ;)
Oh, they will all ask for/say things like "TEST??????????" "PLEASE?????" "ME JOIN KLANU DM????" "DM JESTES KLAN??" "JAK TAMM????" "CZESC"

Also I do really think this patch should be added to the J2O downloads link, and maybe make this topic Sticky.
It is a really great patch, and thus I think every newb should be able to find it easily ;)

While you're at it, remove NeoAC and other outdated things

I made a minor update to JJ2+ and added screenshots to the opening post.

Do I have to run plusifier each time there is an update?

Actually I just looked at the timestamp and it's obvious that it wasn't changed. This should probably be pointed out in the readme.

I have a small request, can you make it so the changelog explicitly points out when there is a change to either of the .ini files? Otherwise it's hard to tell if anything is different, which means you have to painstakingly check each update or just overwrite your ini.

The plusifier only patches your exe so that it loads a certain dll. You only need to run it again in case the dll-name would change (not likely).

I would guess that blur codes jj2 so that missing posts in ini-files will be added automatically (meaning you never need to overwrite).

I used JSD for those a long, long time ago, and have since deleted my original Anims.j2a D:

To clarify, I didn't mean that JJ2+ isn't something to get exicted about. This is way awesome. Spectator mode is probably one of the coolest things I've seen for JJ2.

Oo you dirty copypaster.