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Fawriel Dec 10, 2008 02:25 AM

I have but two things to say.

Minus 2 points.

Let the battle begin.

Torkell Dec 10, 2008 01:21 PM

So, the Mediterranean Sea? Not much to see there, just the wreck of HMS Eagle at N 38.05 E3.02, and an awful lot of Youtube videos.

Yes, I did just copy those co-ordinates into Google Earth.

Radium Dec 10, 2008 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torkell (Post 440900)
So, the Mediterranean Sea? Not much to see there, just the wreck of HMS Eagle at N 38.05 E3.02, and an awful lot of Youtube videos.

Hah, knew someone would pinpoint them and it'd be in the middle of a body of water. I was assuming this is a planet other than earth; if continuity from Puffy's comic is to be assumed, it's a world that was being explored for colonization. Though admittedly I didn't think of where the ruined buildings fit into that chronology. I'll leave that up to everyone's imagination.

Puffie40 Dec 10, 2008 02:21 PM

Somthing must have happened between my comic and yours :P

n00b Dec 10, 2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radium (Post 440881)
Okay, sorry this took so long, I had trouble finding my camera.
[img]http://foxmage.com/FawArtBattle.png[/img]
In case you have trouble following what is going on, Eirrukovi (my contestant from the old Art Battles) is warming up by karate-chopping a stegosaurus while she waits for Faw to come to the battlefield (my Wacom tablet).

I am very proud of this piece and think I can use it to beat Faw really well.

AWESOME. HOLY CRAP, totally going to win.
Wait thats not it? Wheres the real ent-


Quote:

Originally Posted by Radium (Post 440882)
Comic

[IMG]http://i33.tinypic.com/15n9ac7.gif[/IMG]

Odin Dec 10, 2008 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n00b (Post 440905)
[IMG]http://i33.tinypic.com/15n9ac7.gif[/IMG]

gif of the year 2008

n00b Dec 13, 2008 10:24 PM

So by now Faw has lost a point, right?

Puffie40 Dec 13, 2008 11:42 PM

New point method: The person with the most negative points winz

Nonomu198 Dec 13, 2008 11:56 PM

Relax. They each just don't want to make the other competitor lose. So they both end up losing. And we lose too.

Fawriel Dec 14, 2008 09:42 AM

Read the rules again. We both have an undetermined time limit for the first round.

Of course, I'd rather not post my response next year, but with university, moving to a new apartment and the fact that I leave to visit my family soon, that... might happen. I'll have to consult Radium about that.

Fawriel Dec 23, 2008 02:32 AM

I shall now be out of comission for about two weeks. Once I wake up, the countdown may start.

I apologize to everyone including myself for not making this battle quite as fast-paced and action-packed as I had hoped! But if you think I'm going to falter, you thought wrong.

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE....

Radium Dec 23, 2008 11:24 AM

While Faw is busy fawwing I challenge anyone else who wants to accept to an ART BATTLE.

Nonomu198 Dec 23, 2008 12:45 PM

Are Gmod comics art?

Valco Dec 23, 2008 02:39 PM

I OWN YOU WITH MY
[IMG]http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7859/busukuszr8.th.png[/IMG]

EDIT: I know it's really amazing, but I DID make this myself. All art takes is a little patience.

Nonomu198 Dec 23, 2008 02:53 PM

All and every stickfigure comic on the worldwideweb is a property of xkcd.

Troglobite Dec 23, 2008 09:47 PM

Not really anywhere close to RadFaw war quality.
But if anyone wants a fight while waiting, here's my submission.
[IMG]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/troglobite/JazzDarkForest/thegeneral.png[/IMG]

n00b Dec 24, 2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radium (Post 441481)
While Faw is busy fawwing I challenge anyone else who wants to accept to an ART BATTLE.

[IMG]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Lijik/Scans/lij2.jpg[/IMG]



Fawriel Dec 30, 2008 04:16 AM

....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...


(hi internet cafe hf guys)

Dev Jan 30, 2009 08:10 PM

*folds up chair and leaves*

Fawriel Jan 31, 2009 02:15 AM

I find your lack of faith disturbing. Understandable, but disturbing.

Well, I was extremely busy until yesterday. I really picked the absolutely worst possible time for this challenge, as the last two months were quite possibly the most exhausting of my entire life, what with moving, even more moving, living in a dump among boxes and wooden boards, and then studying for exams. It's possible that I could have found some time to finish the comic somewhere inbetween (since it's already done IN THEORY and I only need to actually draw some stuff), but posting it would initiate the second round, with a time-limit, and that just wasn't possible. And... to further complicate matters, I still have to find the cable of my scanner, which seems to have gone missing during the move. [EDIT: Nevermind, got it.] So yeah.

I wanted to post my apology AFTER the comic, but nooooooooooooooo.

Well, time to actually build makeshift desk and get to work.

CrimiClown Jan 31, 2009 03:21 AM

You're still a hero in my book. [img]http://chaos.foxmage.com/CrimiClown/lfsmile.png[/img]

Dev Jan 31, 2009 03:03 PM

I await your punch. In the mean time, my chair will remained folded in skeptical defiance.

NovaStar Feb 2, 2009 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radium (Post 440882)
There's a few cameos in here from the previous art battles, if you didn't notice. Cori belongs to NovaStar, and I apologize for any lesbian subtext. Also, before anyone points it out, I know I forgot Cori's headband.

That was a terrible character anyway now that I look back. Blah.

n00b Feb 2, 2009 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fawriel (Post 443174)
Well, time to actually build makeshift desk and get to work.

I find textbooks in a lap work extremely well.

Unless you're working on super huge paper or a papyrus or something.

Fawriel Feb 9, 2009 01:30 AM

Punch will be up this Thursday, before or after my last exam this semester. (It was supposed to be earlier but got delayed.)

Radium Feb 11, 2009 06:54 PM

Nova, glad you're okay with my use of your character in that last comic =D.

Ack, sorry I've been ignoring this thread and taking forever to respond. I feel like Faw. Only unlike Faw, I can't even work up an excuse other than "procrastination and Team Fortress 2". My art is horribly out of practice, though, and it'll be nice getting back into the groove.

Anyway, in response to Valco, Trog and Noob:

[img]http://foxmage.com/Fillerbattle.png[/img]

Dev Feb 11, 2009 07:21 PM

For someone with such a short skirt she sure can throw a bazooka.

Troglobite Feb 11, 2009 09:14 PM

Ouch. Doesn't look like I'm exactly a worthy opponent.

But it's still fun to try my hand at drawing.

[IMG]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/troglobite/JazzDarkForest/burn-in-gen.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/troglobite/JazzDarkForest/tank.png[/IMG]

Fawriel Feb 12, 2009 03:01 PM

[IMG]http://chaos.foxmage.com/Round1-1.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://chaos.foxmage.com/Round1-2.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://chaos.foxmage.com/Round1-3.jpg[/IMG]



It figures that I'd finish this not even ten minutes before the deadline I set myself.
But, this is, evidently, what I can do. I made mistakes and poor choices, and it's clear as day that I lack experience. But, this is what I could do with the resources I have. I hope the flaws do not detract from the fun and excitement that I hope you found in this comic, because starting now, this is my foundation. The purpose of this duel was never to win some sort of imaginary prize or to triumph. It was, primarily, a duel against ourselves.

But that is not to say that I won't do all I can to win.

Radium, I am ready for the next round. You have three days, starting now, and once you are done, I have three days.

Everyone else, please tell me what you like in the comic and what you think I can improve. The next comic can't be done in the same style, and I'll need all the help I can get to get a better grasp on how to produce comics.

I will now end this with the obligatory phrase that's expected of someone like me showcasing the work they are proud of:
"Enjoy, and thanks for reading."

Stijn Feb 12, 2009 03:23 PM

Somehow comic-Faw really reminds me of Questionable Content's Sven.

Radium Feb 12, 2009 08:09 PM

=D I'm actually quite impressed. This will be fun! Responses to Faw's and Trog's will be up as soon as, uh, I draw them.

EDIT: Though I can't quite figure out what the second panel on Faw's is. Help there? )=

Dev Feb 12, 2009 08:14 PM

Your story has changed? Trees?

Fawriel Feb 13, 2009 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stijn (Post 443753)
Somehow comic-Faw really reminds me of Questionable Content's Sven.

Is that a good or bad thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radium (Post 443760)
=D I'm actually quite impressed. This will be fun! Responses to Faw's and Trog's will be up as soon as, uh, I draw them.

EDIT: Though I can't quite figure out what the second panel on Faw's is. Help there? )=

1. \o/

2. Yeah, trying to draw a tree from an odd perspective although I can neither draw trees nor perspective, and then obscuring the whole thing further with a magical light source I made up myself, was probably one of those poor choices I noted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dev (Post 443761)
Your story has changed? Trees?

Fawriel has not been the same character in any of the comics I've drawn.
In other words, this is a self-contained little continuity.


Incidentally, voting for the first round is open. And I still didn't receive any constructive help from anyone.

Nonomu198 Feb 13, 2009 01:33 AM

Comic page 3 isn't marked.

TEH NOES!

Fawriel Feb 13, 2009 01:44 AM

Stop babbling and tell me how to make the next one suck less.

Dev Feb 13, 2009 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fawriel (Post 443766)
And I still didn't receive any constructive help from anyone.

Your backgrounds look fantastic, but your figures need work. Fawriel looks flat in most panels, and I think some more distinct wrinkles in his clothes would help that. I see you very faintly defined a few wrinkles, but just barely with light shading, and it just doesn't show up beside that bold line art. Some more dynamic, bolder wrinkles would have really given him more depth. You're still highlighting and shading most things with a light area on top and a dark area on the bottom, which is pretty unprofessional-looking compared to your line art. Some more sophisticated shading would have done wonders for this comic, like defining bumps, bulges, muscles, etc. As it stands the shading is subtle and almost cowardly, like you were too afraid of making a mistake so you tried to make your shadows so light that no one would notice either way (or else you just have really hard pencils? I don't know).

Your hands need work. For some reason Eirrukovi's hands (in the one frame where you can see them) are infinitely better drawn than Faw's. In the panel where he's leaning on the wall, his left hand is much smaller than his right, and in the final panel his left hand looks like it was cut out of paper. That hand is all fingers and no palm, and two of his fingers look broken. You meant for them to be bending but they're bending out of perspective, and with no crease lines to show where they're bending.

Everyone's hair looks clumped together. You just need to define more strands/spikes of hair so it looks less like cloth on their heads. Easy enough to fix.

The panel with the PUNCH POW is confusing to me. I know some action is happening but I think you would have been better off drawing a character in motion instead of a blur, even if they were supposed to be moving super-fast. I don't know if that blur is an arm in motion punching her or if Faw is quantum mosh-slamming her. Either one would be awesome, though.

A lot of your lines are kind of shaky. Compared to the perfectly straight lines in the panels and the architecture it's pretty jarring. If you were doing it for style then you should have either avoided straight lines entirely or made your backgrounds geometric and your characters wonky, for contrast. Right now the contrast is inconsistent.

Final panel, I'm seeing pixels. You colored Faw with real medias and the background digitally, but there are white spots outside of his outline speckled on the black area. Use the multiply layer setting and it'll blend together seamlessly, or if you DID use multiply then maybe you forgot to merge the layers before resizing? Anyway, yeah, pixels.

Your handwriting is not great in most of the speech bubbles, and yet you wrote "light" very nicely in the second panel so you're not incapable of good penmanship. Just write more carefully next time.

The shading is my biggest issue; if you shaded with more confidence in your... well, shading, the whole thing would be improved immensely. I also want to add that I am shocked by how good your backgrounds are. Dialogue's a bit weak, though.

Fawriel Feb 13, 2009 02:15 AM

... the BACKGROUNDS are good and the dialogue and characters are bad?
One of us is looking at this thing backwards. o_o


Well, thanks for the suggestions, I guess.

Nonomu198 Feb 13, 2009 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fawriel (Post 443770)
Stop babbling and tell me how to make the next one suck less.

unsaid by Dev:

1) Be consistent with page marking... really. Really.

2) Left arms and hands in general! Just look at Fawriel's left hand in that last panel. Is he a witch? Eirrukovi's left arm is huge and wide when she knocks on the door, and has a pretty long left arm when she trys to get out of the... stairs? What is it anyway? And on the panel right after that Fawriel's left arm is quite tiny, with a smaller hand. Pay more attention to left arms.

3) Fawriel's pants. I don't know if this is the way you draw all your pants, but man, the part where both legs merge (I'm no pants term professional) supposed to be about 1/3~1/4 of the pants, where here it's about 1/6 of it. I can tell my eyes are not tricking me because I can see the belt. Maybe I'm wrong.

4) What the hell is in the second panel on page 3? Tell me, I must criticize it! I can't make sense of most page 1 too. I hardly understand where the comics takes place in (surly not the desert from Rad's comic).

5) There is a loose string in Faw's pants on the last panel of page 2. Is that on purpose? Is that a pencil gone mad?

6) You have really slacked on drawing background (especially on page 2 and 3). More backgroung means more interesting comic and more information on where it takes place.


your comic is k O+

CrimiClown Feb 13, 2009 04:36 AM

...everything they said. Otherwise, awesome. +1

[img]http://chaos.foxmage.com/CrimiClown/thisisartrly.png[/img]

cooba Feb 13, 2009 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stijn (Post 443753)
Somehow comic-Faw really reminds me of Questionable Content's Sven.

*NOW* I know who did Sven always remind me of -_-


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