And the AS war clearly shows, C-C doesnt have all of the wars it played listed and sorted on the page, but has all the wars since around the time they started to actually win wars...

EDIT: To show you I'm not just saying things, here is the other link. http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=799

No one is saying u cant beat us now, but don't try to alter history, or delete it. No one has ever achieved in doing that up so far. If you won't admit the defeat at least don't discuss it.

Ohh and if C-C had any doubts about the war being fair, they should have voiced em back then. But as you can see, there is no reply to the post. Usually when one has strong arguments, one uses them, UNLESS one lacks strong arguments...

Unless they recruit AvK, SkulL and me. Except AvK deleted JJ2 then it won't happen.. so, yeah, they never will.

There is no score in that thread, Urbs...

Check the name, 10-0.
As is the result with our clan.

EDIT: i'm terribly sorry gry. I memorized the score wrong, it was 10-1, read through the posts, i think Ryu posted the result.

EDIT2:
There is a nother topic right after the 1st two, that has the score of the AS vs C-C game: http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=1057

...dopeh was in C-C? :eek: I however think it is another Dope.

"Ohh and if C-C had any doubts about the war being fair, they should have voiced em back then. But as you can see, there is no reply to the post. Usually when one has strong arguments, one uses them, UNLESS one lacks strong arguments..."

UNLESS the majority of them does not care much about a message board like JCF (if they go there at all) and doesn't feel like arguing with a bunch of people who were just as sure of their case as we were of ours? Be honest; the majority of our clan (including the JJ2 division) has always preferred hanging around at our own forums than visiting JMMB or JCF, as still is the case now.

As I said in my previous posts, the real clanwars vs A$ and GpW never took place because of a misunderstanding with the arranged time (as Gry explained), we merely had some matches for fun in which any member online was allowed to participate. Although they would have loved to, GpW, unlike FoR, never beated C-C in a real clanwar. And if they did, it would have been on the clanwar page. We have been recording all official, real clanwars that happened since the very first one (C-C vs CM) in 2000, including our defeat (against FoR in 2003), no exceptions.

That's the honest truth I can offer you, whether you believe it or not (believe GpW's point of view or believe CC's point of view; I'm fine either way, no hard feelings). It's ancient history to me. Case closed.

Case Kees closed idd 8D

Well see, the wars stand, as u didn't post ur complaints back then.
As for the time, what other reassurance do we have except your word that there was a problem with dates and times?
None.
i'm sure if u ask shadow he'll tell you there was no misunderstanding, your word against ours.
But the fact stands, you lost two games, and u wont admit it. U posted friendly war results on your page as well, but only from a certain point.
Besides 10-1 vs AS is a great result, as had Beauman and Ryu, two players who were at their peak back then, so even scoring once shows you did have some skill.
But as I said the topics speak for themselves, you didn't reply then, and what ur bringing up in your defence now, has no support whatsoever. We have to trust your word that there was a mixup. On the other hand u have 2 clans saying there was no mixup. Strange.
The only reply I saw from C-C was, you will all die... hmms u sure showed them:)

But I fully agree, that the C-C of today is a fully different clan, which instead of being pwnt pwns.

However, not complaining about something doesn't make it less unfair. Complaints will just be seen as whine and be flamed at. for reference: gry vs. snz for jj2wc ;p

PAGECLAIM 3 8D Nice Try!

Ehm, what is this about a mix-up? I saw on CC's webbie that they lost to FoR, so SHUP!

*sighs at ShadowRab*

C'mon Craccies, work with us here. The idea here was to get the kind gentleman on the previous page to eat his own hand. ;)

Finally something that really supports GpW's cause. For the sake of Enigma's argument I hereby change my mind. Go eat your hand, person on last page! :)
~Cooperating Craccy :cool: :!

*eats hand*
BTW what am I missing here? (-), what hand?

There are many people and even countries who doesn't want to remember their history, nothing new : p

No, Emperor's hand. :|

Like GpW posting fictional clanwars? :o

die, or complain to your CLANLEADER or something about this.

look, that is chiyu's word, I'm not gonna defend him or something, as I wasn't even there, or in ÇC at that time.

But, if those clanwars weren't real clanwars, but just friendly matches, without hearing the word "clanwar" at all, then it's just unfair on what they did.
they probably thought "haha, well, we'll have to post that, even though there was no real clanwar"
bleh, oh well, never mind.

Ok first as first, C-C had 2 shots at bringing their "fittest" warteam, and they blew both. Or so they say, for all we know those were the top teams C-C had. The absence of the your best team twice, might lead people to believe, the A team was avoiding the wars for obvious reasons. As missing out two wars is highly unlikely to say the least.
Ohh and veg they were clanwars as they were aranged, you don't arrange friendly games.
Plus on the point of dates and stuff Chiyu, what ur saying is that AS and GpW came at the wrong times? that seems strange. Why then would u even be online if they were there at the wrong times? And are u sure that both AS and GpW were there at wrong times? It seems highly unlikely that 2 clans would be at fault here, it's more likely that the one clan who failed to bring their warteam twice, is at fault. If it is indeed true that this wasnt your top team. What I'm saying is, sure maybe u missed one war with the best team, but if you didn't have the best team for the 2nd one as well, thats just plain irresponsible and immature behaviour from your part, and you have only yourself to blame for losing! Once is bad luck or coincidence from then on, it simply isn't.
Can u imagine Barcelona saying:"Oops we forgot ronaldinho, score doesnt count!!".
I mean, what the hell, missing out the 1st war with AS is possible, but then not attending the 2nd, thats just ur own fault then. Plus I still don't see why a warteam would be ready unless the times were ok. Seems to me you have only one argument, GpW came at the wrong time, and nothing else but Chiyus word to back it up... which kinda doesnt make it an argument but a statement.

EDIT: Plus if I'm not mistaking the wars that are listed on your page are all from a certain point, and that point doesnt coincide with the point when your clan was created. Or in other words, you either did very few wars in the 1st few years or they just aren't listed.

No one cares. C-C wins. please shut up all :D

Pfft. Again I do care. Don't claim things like that. :|

Snooze has point... but not THAT sure this time ;)

Evil topic reviver! Boooo!

CC won't win. I bet VS will, since they actually have been playing jj2 the latest month.

I still have faith in CC. I'll do my best :P.

Where is the sign up-thread anyways, chip?

Chip forgot ;-(.

Dunno... only me, Sperry and Danyjel..

Better than CC: me and er... snz once or twice

stop spreading rumors idiot

why call Urbs an idiot, idiot? :(

Actually, people stopped talking about that like 3-4 weeks ago. In the spirit of the holidays, you all should forgive and forget and be happy ;)

im not an idiot, thx RR newbie ;D and your nick sucks btw :H

i must agree :H

i am with u my lord

Signups start monday 26th.

Tommorow!
And Emp isn't a newb, he's RR co-leader, duh!