Probably most people have heard of my program "MegaWarp". If not: It is a cheat program that lets you warp anywhere on the map and to any other player, even in online games...but that isn't the point of this topic.



Some people, who I am not going to name here unless they reply have been asking for how I did MegaWarp. Or more specific...how to edit the memory in Visual Basic. Doing this uses the Windows API (calling functions in dlls) and is NOT something I made up myself or anything like that. It is something that I found out how to do on the internet, and I figured it out and put it to use in MegaWarp.



Now back to the problem...Even though this is readily available information (well maybe not readily, but available to anybody with a good search engine and good knowledge on how to use it), I'm not sure if I should give these people the way to do this. After seeing what happened with megawarp (even jdc has to have a rule about it), I don't really want people making cheat programs they can release to other people. I think that if people want to cheat they should do it using real memory editing tools and search for addresses themselves.



If a cheat program gets out (like megawarp did), the jj2 community who actually play will be kind of wrecked, because so few people play, that most people will get it and it will make playing no fun anymore.



So I would like some feedback about this and whether I should tell the people in question how to do this because I don't want something really really bad to happen.



Thank you for your help

I hate that program. It corrupts anyone who uses it. Megawarp has already screwed games up before, and I am pretty mad about it. If the probelm continues I am going to take the IP adresses and names of cheaters and post them on the internet so people can add them to ther banlist file. Nobody wants people like that in their servers.

"Cheating sucks" - me

Kirby's Server

a couple hours ago [img]http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Why be mad at it?

If people want to use it let them use it.

It's their choice not yours.

Eh Assasin i trough "MegaWarp"

Wasnt for the Public

only for 3 players

to test it

Assassin, the free choice concept does not work here. Clients are clients, and servers will be servers. If servers do not want their clients to cheat, then they can't cheat. Also, such a concept would most likely be pointed out by a cheater, so be careful. ;-P

Maybe I should clarify the question a bit.



I'm not asking for feedback about MegaWarp. That has happened already and I can't do anything to make other people who weren't supposed to have it delete their copy. Here is what I'm asking:



Should I give out information to people about how to make programs like MegaWarp in Visual Basic

No.

Hmmm Yes



im kinda interesting in it

im trying to learn VB :P

By the way, thanks for destroying the Jazz2 playing community, Link, Overlord, Kaz and whatever your names may be. Thanks a lot!

There are different sides to programming. It all depends on the ppl who do it. There are ppl who wanna program just for fun and profit, shall we say, and there are ppl with other, maybe "evil" purposes (virusses and such). Also, what kind of information are you planning to give? Just the basics, or more sophysticated(sp?) things? Also, how do you know how ppl will use that info?



All i can say is this: be carefull with the ppl you give information to, and don't give more than they ask.



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Do not give it out to anyone. Make sure the person can be trusted.

Mikey Not everyone Know`z VB

Btw im only interesting in how the basic code is not for Evil things or whatever you guys think

i think that you should keep the code to yourself, even though i am one who would like to know, since i am interested in all of this programming stuff. But this would corrupt JJ2, which it already is, but i find that there are some ppl who use mw in a good way, as in helping others getting stuck, but then there's some others out there who abuse it... ALOT so i wouldn't take your chances

in my last post, i'd like to just clerify that i meant UNSTUCK, no stuck, it won't let me edit it.

I admit I've asked. But it was not for cheating purposes.

The Cheaters already wrecked the gameplay of CounterStrike and a lot of other FPS games..



In CS they have a Anti-Cheat program called PUNKBUSTER.. With cheats or without the program means kicked from server

Sounds interesting, Shadow. Maybe someone can make such a program for JJ2. [img]http://jazz2.nagcentral.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]



P.S. Maybe it's also something for the Battle Server, since many kill the idle server on purpose...

I told you! I told you once you released it that program would corrupt the community!



But anywayz... I didn't corrupt the community, except for black ninja who is a big loser becuase he can't win a signle game without cheating. I gave out trainers to nobody, got them from nobody, and only told maybe a few offsets only becuase it was for research... (and ****ed link didn't give me some credit for giving him the formula for Position>Dword value)



But yeah, I suppose I did play a part in corrupting the community (I told you that would happen...). In 1.25 we should make arrangements to reorganize the byte system for effiecency and get rid of cheaters.



URJazzCC

Bean

Link(educational =P)

and many others who have no soul and only talk to other people only to find more cheats and more cheats craving power and "respect".



Clarification: All those people I've listed that I can think of that cheat are not known to do the thing listed above (well maybe URJazzCC). However there are a lot of power hungry people out there who will do anything to get a hack including nuke the "victim"'s computer until he gives it to them (what losers)(not naming anyone here =P).



"SINNERS!!!" -EMH Mach 1

O.K. Kaz... what is it now? I don't even cheat as much as you do, so why are you picking on me all of a sudden?

eh Please stay on Subject

btw i never see Kaz Cheating

Urjazz you cheat sometimes

but not much



Spazzyman And Freelance

and Blackninja Are the Worst Cheaters

I think I have made up my mind: I am not going to help other people with making cheat programs. They can find the information themselves on the internet (just like I did). I think that most people here are negative towards any sort of cheating, and that is what helped me make this desision. I don't want to be responsible for helping to create another cheat program for JJ2.



Also, I would like to just explain this to Kaz and anyone else who may be wondering: I didn't release it into the community; I gave it to four people (the fourth came because one of my beta testers had TSF and it doesn't work for TSF), but I didn't evaluate the fourth person's ability to not give it to anyone else, so that is what happened. The first three original testers were good, and they didn't give it to anyone.



So I'm sorry to those people who asked, but I'm not changing my mind about not giving the source code to you. You can find out how to do it on the internet if you look hard enough, so I think that is how you should go about finding this out if you really want to make a cheat program (which you probably shouldn't after seeing what happened with megawarp).



-- Link

Cant you Explain a little bit of the SourceCode or how to Find info bout it

to a couple ppl who you can trust

i know some ppl who are interesting in the Code like Ns arent Cheaters

or want to use it in the Cheater`s Way

So far I found out how does megawarp find jj2. It uses a "FindWindowA" API function to find the window class DDWndClass (won't tell more). I'm trying to create a program for editing jj2's memory but not for cheating. Now I need to find out how do api's work for reading and writing into process mem. Link! I ask you for the MW source code (the MW project file and other files for MW located in your c:\program files\vb directory - I think)and you'll get a credit in my prog. If you think I'm not fair enough just keep it. I'll finish the prog by myself.



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Gee overlord, you must know everything... it's too bad you can't shut up.

Link when the JJ2 Source is released. "Give" us your cheat-program-source then.. then we can make an easier cure for this =\



and Kaz Quit the Attacking, thanks



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You could at least edit the post I was attacking...



Overlord, be quiet, you want everyone on here to cheat too?



Geez, I never give out trainers, no matter how annoying the people get ...

Kaz i dont think much ppl know what Overlord Means and if Link release`s the Sourcecode

i think only 5 6 ppl know how to make something with it or whatever

Punkbuster is on Half-Life too, I didn't dload it, since I like taking out those who use the speed hack (they are so easy to kill since they can't control themselves because of too much speed). Also, it shouldn't be too hard to make an anti-cheat prog for JJ2 that servers could use to auto-kick/ban cheaters, but I also think that to truely eliminate the cheating, we need the JJ2 source code and someone to patch the game so that the progs won't work at all.

Well I think I know how. Most cheaters use a program called Gamehack. It's a program that lets you cheat in almost every game. You can search the game's memory for values for example score. Searching takes some time. Gamehack can then save some *.gh files. They contain information about addresses that you saved earlier so you won't have to search for them again next time you play the game.



Some days ago I tried to create some addresses for Unreal Tournament. Searching takes loooong. I found out that each time you get killed addresses change. For example if you find your health, you freeze it and when you get killed by... when you get telefragged the address will change and you'll have to search for it again and again. I'm too lazy to do that and so are most of ppl who use Gamehack. Now if we can modify Jazz to do that I don't think we'll see a person with GH again.



Or something... Any other ideas?

Modify Jazz2 to attack all known trainers? =D.

and i waited 3 days for u to email me, o well, ill just fruck the whole thing. :P, ill go search for it myself, i even contacted ]llie@gamehack[/img]ollie@gamehack about it. they weren't willing to give out any piece of code

and i waited 3 days for u to email me, o well, ill just fruck the whole thing. :P, ill go search for it myself, i even contacted ]llie@gamehack[/img]ollie@gamehack about it. they weren't willing to give out any piece of code

Bad thing to say spazzy man...

No... Can't... Reach... Must... Summon... Cobra! ;-P

no i dont think it was bad. it:

A. tells every1 i did ask link

B. tells every1 how much i wanted it

:P

Sounds fun.

Can I get a copy?

Gee... I wonder why he didn't respond to you =P, haven't you been reading?!



And Roseta... it's hard to get, or at least I hope it is... and it's actually really lame.

absolutely do not give it to anyone!

if one person gets it, it will end up to 1,000,000,000 people getting it.

even people who DONT PLAY jazz will get it!





i dont like myself now.

i logged in just to say that.....