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cooba Sep 9, 2005 08:42 AM

Reviewing Booth
 
I decided to start another brilliant way to waste my time. From this moment, you all can send me (or post here) requests to review one of your uploads. You can't send/post more than one proposal though, and if you make your request, you can't request another review in a week. Also, if you tell me what rating I am supposed to give your upload, I will not review it and you can't make anymore requests, so in other words you will just be "banned" from this.
I am doing this because J2O strongly needs reviews and I am willing to write some, yet I lack any ideas what to review and barely anything in the Review Ideas section meets my standards.
Also, if any of you are curious, my level/levelpack (as in, when I am reviewing a levelpack, level sections will apply to all the levels) reviews will look like this:
  • I am reviewing and rating (on a scale from 1 to 5) each section of the level/levelpack in this order: Eyecandy (included tile errors and creativity), Gameplay (included flow, design and creativity), and Eventing (events' balance, creativity).
  • I write a short summary of the level's/levelpack's pros and cons.
  • I write an overall section which is there so you don't have to read the whole review.

Tilesets ratings will look like this:
  • I am reviewing and rating (on a scale from 1 to 5) each section of the tileset in this order: Theme, Graphical Quality (replaced with Conversion Completiness when I'm reviewing a conversion), Functionality (included masking), Event Compatibility.
  • I write a short summary of the tileset's pros and cons.
  • I write an overall section which is there so you don't have to read the whole review.

There are also a few restrictions about your uploads:
  • I will not review your level if it's ripped off someone else's level.
  • I will not review your level if it's got over 10 reviews, unless the reviews are insufficient according to today's standards.
  • I will not review:
    • Conversions from games I haven't played.
    • Jazz1/Jazz2 utilities.
    • Music remixes.
    • Uploads violating the J2O rules and to be deleted.
  • Constant complaining about the review being not posted will result in banning from the booth.

That is all. Send me your requests anyway you'd like to. I will try to review your upload as soon as I receive your request. If you are not satisfied with quality of my review, point out what don't you like and I will try to do my best to improve it. However, if you keep on bugging me with such messages, I will just ban you from the booth. And if you feel that I might've underrated your level, then I can't help and you will just have to live with it. Take what is given.

Ragnarok! Sep 9, 2005 09:17 AM

Excellent idea Cooba, its the sort of thing we need. I would help out if its needed.

Sacrush Sep 9, 2005 09:31 AM

yes, that's a great idea. :cool:

LittleFreak Sep 9, 2005 10:07 AM

Please and thanks.

Good idea. I also suggest reviewing this, because I refuse to and it would badly need a review.

Besides, I would also help out if needed, but I guess Cooba will claim it's his idea. ;P

cooba Sep 9, 2005 11:55 AM

Done. \o\ \o/ /o/

LittleFreak Sep 9, 2005 12:11 PM

Thanks for the review. I must admit at first I was a bit upset about the low rating, but you showed a reason for stuff you didn't like and I'm ok with that.

I won't bother letting you rate the Beachtown pack though. I'm afraid it would get something like a 2. ;P

cooba Sep 9, 2005 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleFreak
I won't bother letting you rate the Beachtown pack though. I'm afraid it would get something like a 2. ;P

Actually I like it a whole lot better but k. =D

LittleFreak Sep 9, 2005 12:14 PM

Really?

Hehe, then I'll wait a week and give you the job. =P

You have a nice rating system by the way (I like the graphics).

ShadeJackrabbit Sep 9, 2005 02:05 PM

Please Review The Following:
Jazz In Training
Hide and Shoot
Secret Level Patch

Thnxs!

Some you have reviewed, BUT I would like to see them reviewed in whole, level by level if possible.

FireSworD Sep 9, 2005 02:24 PM

Good idea Cooba. Problem is, you're going to get tired of reviewing stuff. You will want appriciation (if not more) from the people you help. How will you derive motivation to review stuff when you least feel like it?

If you do not enjoy reviewing as a passion; You will give this job up pretty soon.

Violet CLM Sep 9, 2005 08:54 PM

Will you review Battery Check levels or utilities?

cooba Sep 10, 2005 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZAPPER
Please Review The Following:
Jazz In Training
Hide and Shoot
Secret Level Patch

Thnxs!

Some you have reviewed, BUT I would like to see them reviewed in whole, level by level if possible.

Obviously you didn't read the "Restrictions" part of my post. ONE UPLOAD PER REQUEST.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown Rabbit
Will you review Battery Check levels or utilities?

I guess yes. =P
Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSworD
How will you derive motivation to review stuff when you least feel like it?

That's a good question. Hmm. Maybe I will need some people to help me with this thing... thanks for giving me support, too.
Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleFreak
You have a nice rating system by the way (I like the graphics).

Heh, thanks. They were actually created in Paint in something like 2 minutes, and as soon as I figure out how to run GIMP here I will make improved ones \o/.

LittleFreak Sep 10, 2005 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSword
Problem is, you're going to get tired of reviewing stuff. You will want appriciation (if not more) from the people you help. How will you derive motivation to review stuff when you least feel like it?

On another website we have an unofficial review team. Every one has a fake super hero name and his own character. For reviews you get points, with these you can upgrade your own units. It works pretty well.

The problem is, that the JCF doesn't have a "main post" feature. That means, that the first post does only show up on the first page. That makes it pretty hard to execute such a thing.

Besides, like I said, I'd help Cooba out. Even though I lack the fancy graphics. D;

Sacrush Sep 10, 2005 01:49 AM

If your not too busy.
Toasted territory

DoubleGJ Sep 10, 2005 04:43 AM

Jazz Paradise 1.23 ;o
I like this idea and I think I could take such requests too... But only for music and single player downloads.

ShadeJackrabbit Sep 10, 2005 06:07 AM

I don't see where it says only one upload per request. And I did read the whole thing. And basically you are telling me to disobey the rules and double-post.

Blackraptor Sep 10, 2005 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZAPPER
I don't see where it says only one upload per request. And I did read the whole thing. And basically you are telling me to disobey the rules and double-post.


It says it in bold letters even..

ShadeJackrabbit Sep 10, 2005 07:36 AM

Actually, (after re-reading it 4 times,) I finally found where it says that. NOT in bold letters. Anything important shoud be in bold letters. (That way you don't have to read the whole thing.)

FireSworD Sep 10, 2005 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooba
That's a good question. Hmm. Maybe I will need some people to help me with this thing... thanks for giving me support, too.

Not good enough. The same problem I mentioned above still applies; unless the other people (and you) really enjoy reviewing. Except for maybe Joseph Collins (who reviews remixes), I have yet to see true reviewing addicts. Unless there is some method to make reviewing addictive for most, then it's pretty much hopeless for this job to continue past say...3 months, at most.

I have been trying to make a method myself of reviews based on just writing a review that summarizes your most simple (for lack of a better word) thoughts. Basicly, whatever comes to mind when you first experience the upload: first impressions etc, and would still give people a pretty good description of what the upload has to offer. Such a method would not require much inspiration, they would not be very big either, but some people don't want to put the effort into reading long reviews anyway. Problem is, it may not be possible.

LittleFreak Sep 10, 2005 10:52 AM

Zapper:

I'll review your Jazz in Training pack soon (I just stole Cooba's job).

By the way, I will only review Single Player.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireSword
Not good enough. The same problem I mentioned above still applies; unless the other people (and you) really enjoy reviewing. Except for maybe Joseph Collins (who reviews remixes), I have yet to see true reviewing addicts. Unless there is some method to make reviewing addictive for most, then it's pretty much hopeless for this job to continue past say...3 months, at most.

I have been trying to make a method myself of reviews based on just writing a review that summarizes your most simple (for lack of a better word) thoughts. Basicly, whatever comes to mind when you first experience the upload: first impressions etc, and would still give people a pretty good description of what the upload has to offer. Such a method would not require much inspiration, they would not be very big either, but some people don't want to put the effort into reading long reviews anyway. Problem is, it may not be possible.

The reviewers board I was talking about already survived a year or so and got over 1000 posts, over a hundred things got reviewed in the time it was up.

FQuist Sep 10, 2005 02:51 PM

Come ON, Zapper. If you're not even willing to read the full post before requesting something, don't go around being arrogant towards someone who is very nice about doing others a favour. It's your responsibility to read the full post, and it's especially nice if you would do that if you are asking something of someone. You can at least be respectful. And you are not told to double post, since it specifically says you can only ask for one review a week (in the first paragraph of the post!).

Nice work, Cooba.

I'm interested in your ideas about the reviewers forum, Littlefreak.

cooba Sep 11, 2005 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fquist
Come ON, Zapper. If you're not even willing to read the full post before requesting something, don't go around being arrogant towards someone who is very nice about doing others a favour. It's your responsibility to read the full post, and it's especially nice if you would do that if you are asking something of someone. You can at least be respectful. And you are not told to double post, since it specifically says you can only ask for one review a week (in the first paragraph of the post!).

4-0
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZAPPER
I didn't offer to Cooba because, well, I would have to follow his 1 review a week option.

So that's a bad thing that I'm trying not to have my (-) busy with thrice as much review requests?

LittleFreak Sep 11, 2005 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FQuist
I'm interested in your ideas about the reviewers forum, Littlefreak.

AOEH Reviewers board

As you can see, it's for the old AOE game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooba
If you are not satisfied with quality of my review, point out what don't you like and I will try to do my best to improve it.

I have thought a little about the review on my pack. While it's of very good quality, I came to the conclusion that your rating standards seem to be too high.

If you sweep through the downloads section you'll find a lot of other Single Player packs that are actually a lot worse than mine and have higher ratings. I can send you an example via PM if you want.

It's not a problem for me to get a 4, no need to edit the review on my pack. But you should try rating a little more "friendly" on future uploads.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapper
didn't offer to Cooba because, well, I would have to follow his 1 review a week option.

I think you misunderstood something here. Cooba will do more than one review a week, but he won't be reviewing more than one upload of the same author. That way, he can prevent himself from getting 30 requests at once from the same designer.

cooba Sep 11, 2005 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleFreak
If you sweep through the downloads section you'll find a lot of other Single Player packs that are actually a lot worse than mine and have higher ratings.

Standards changing I guess :7.

LittleFreak Sep 11, 2005 03:35 AM

*newer Single Player packs that are a lot worse, while having higher ratings than mine.

cooba Sep 11, 2005 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleFreak
*newer Single Player packs that are a lot worse, while having higher ratings than mine.

Which I didn't review yet.

LittleFreak Sep 11, 2005 04:04 AM

Well, ok. It was just a suggestion.

FQuist Sep 11, 2005 10:31 AM

Some people rate stricter than others. And general strictness does change. Aiko used to be approached negatively by some for being really strict with rating, later on most people adopted his level of strictness.

cooba Sep 11, 2005 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fquist
Aiko used to be approached negatively by some for being really strict with rating, later on most people adopted his level of strictness.

Overrater >:(.

LittleFreak Sep 11, 2005 11:06 AM

That strictness makes it even harder to get good ratings though. I don't support that.

Average eyecandy should get an average score - such as 5.5.

Sacrush Sep 12, 2005 12:59 AM

Thanx cooba for reviewing Toasted territory!

Tubz Sep 12, 2005 08:19 PM

Might as well post this here. Ask me to review your level or beta test it or the such, I'll do it. I follow all of Cooba's rules except:
Quote:

I will not review your level if it's got over 10 reviews, unless the reviews are insufficient according to today's standards.

I will not review:
Conversions from games I haven't played.
Jazz1/Jazz2 utilities.
Music remixes.

LittleFreak Sep 13, 2005 02:51 AM

I simply disagree. Everyone hates it if someone gives a higher rating than something deserves. So things should not get a lower rating than they deserve either.

cooba Sep 13, 2005 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleFreak
I simply disagree. Everyone hates it if someone gives a higher rating than something deserves. So things should not get a lower rating than they deserve either.

...if I only knew what in the hell does this have to do with the topic.

Tublear, the problem is, your reviews are barely longer than two lines and thus tell nothing about the upload's quality. On the contrary, mine should tell.

White Rabbit Sep 14, 2005 12:59 PM

http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...p?levelID=1406
http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...hp?levelID=689
http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...p?levelID=1544
http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...p?levelID=3674

FireSworD Sep 14, 2005 01:09 PM

I have yet to recieve a bad review. I just want to know what it feels like.
Review: http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...hp?levelID=748

Do it.

Violet CLM Sep 14, 2005 08:48 PM

http://www.jazz2online.com/J2Ov2/dow...p?levelID=1330

cooba Oct 6, 2005 11:36 AM

Woah, I forgot all about this. I will try to review those uploads this weekend, I think.

DoubleGJ Oct 7, 2005 06:18 AM

Speaking of reviews, where's Joseph Collins? Music uploads are starting to lack reviews again.

LittleFreak Oct 7, 2005 09:15 AM

Maybe he got tired. :cool:

Has he ever been rating something above 3 anyway? :rolleyes:


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