"Rebels"
 

If anyone has been playing jj2 lately, they have no doubt noticed a recent outbreak of clans, or similar groups of people bent on destroying DM members, JCF admins, and their supporters. They claim our "corrupt tyrany" is a good reason to crash servers we are in and make themselves general nusances. To me it seems most of them are just ex-J2O/JCF members who have been banned for various reasons, and the followers of these people.

Because of the way things are, a lot of DM members have leadership roles in the community. Simply put, they are heavily involved in JDC, J2O and the JCF. The reason is because a DM member, Bobby aka DizZy, owns and pays for J2O. Without him, we wouldn't have this message board, this forum, or JDC. Fquist is another DM member who helps maintain J2O, and he was one of the creators of it. Both of them are the reasons we have this website. Since bobby is one of the leaders of DM, people he will pick to become an admin are also people who would probably be good, loyal clan members. And that is the reason why DM seems to "control" the community sometimes. I admit there is probably a slight bias factor involved too, but it is not the main reason.

So, let's take a look at the reasons why these "rebels", as I call them, seem so bent on ending my reign of "tyrany" and destruction on all you poor souls who have to deal with me.

1. I, or we ban people who are against DM/EM/MERC/GPW/Whatever.
I admit that I am ban-happy sometimes (although I'm not nearly as mean as I was before. I have been making an effort to cut back on this addiction. Heh.). I will NOT, however, ban someone for simply disliking me. I will obviously dislike them back, and keep a close eye on them in case they happen to break a rule, but that's human nature. Everyone who I have banned from J2O, from my recognition, has been banned for abusing the review system or upload system in a severe way. Dislike is one thing, but personal attacks which involve a rating of 1 are something else. That is inexcusable.

2. I stole CraccoBoy's gametypes.
All I have to say about this, is whatever. I respect CraccoBoy for his creativity in comming up with new gametypes, and I happened to come up with a few ideas myself that resembled his. I do not hate CraccoBoy, and I am *pretty sure* that he doesn't dislike me either.

3. I, or a JCF admin, banned them.
All I have to say is, "tough luck". You broke a rule. It was severe enough to result in a ban. Sorry.

4. I am biased against [instert clan].
No, I'm not. I'm against certain members, but not the whole clan.

The people who want to crash servers and generally be an annoyance are just as bad as the people who they claim WE (the admins) are. Don't be a hyppocrite.

Someone has to maintain order, and hold our websites toghether. They are not going to accomplish anything by being destructive. I was actually going to consider listening to a group of these people before they started threatening me. If any of you people who want to make me leave the community (or whatever else you have planned) are reading this, I encourage you to post a good reply. Just don't call me a part of the male anatomy or a female dog. I don't want this topic closed.

Bah, got to hate those destroyers. By the way there is some program around DLL and RK (eh is this the name?), the program wich activates a laser and then it crashes the server duh. It happened 3 times to me yesterday :(

Well said, Mike. I agree with everything you have said, and these groups of people are just making matters worse. Personally, I think this has more humor than anger by what these groups of people have said to me. These "groups" as I call them consist of mostly DDL, RK and GG or something. It's pointless to be fighting about something that you have no control over. Either way, Mike and Bobby and whoever else you dislike have done nothing wrong. This whole argument between us is pointless.

IMONBO. In My Obviously Not Biased Opinon.

Franky(FQuist)is a nice quy!
There's no need to dislike or even hat him.
And Bobby is my personal hero for paying this!:D
(Is gonna add something for Dizzy in his sig)

Oh, and I have one more thing to say. If you people have anything to protest about, do it in a nonviolent way. Act like a civilized person. Not a terrorist.

They are the Revolutionary Knights... And we will be the revolution of jj2 and stop the power hunger

Yeah and so is double posting :lol: :P Hmm... Who knows... I have no idea what ther're after... NOT...

The only thing I dislike about DM is some of the members, a few of them are nice however.

They claim that some people are "tyrannic" over the rest. People:EVERY community of this size (small;) ) have "leaders". If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have a forum, J2O, and maybe not even a JJ2 anymore:THEY were the ones who changed the server list after Epic's went down...WE owe THEM.(And no, I'm not a suckup :p ) These clans have a right to exist:we DO have free speech. But try to settle this in a CIVILIZED manner, and not by crashing servers, which will help nothing.

Hmm, pretty sure Overlord did this. There should be a program that just autobann's any user with a shield value of the laser, and the weapon value "of the laser".

Overlord, look into packets if you haven't already.

I understand that tyrany and don't dislike it. And there are non-DM people with influene, like Derby for the JCF or Enigma and SuperSaiyan for JDC.
I personally don't see a reason to want to setroy the "constitution" we have.

Yes. Everyone out of TF is nice :)

Altough there are some not-nice DM memebrs (no need to say who) I think everything goes well with you all as admins.

I think u are wrong Canaidan... Every game has a major click... Such as the JCF people who fall under the conrtrol of a group of leaders... But that is just a click other that there is many other who dont and have there own leaders or none at all which most of u dont realize.. I am very thankfull for Bobby paying for this site... But most of u need it more then u need the game.... Alot of people like me played the game with out ever using Jazz 2 City.. I only went there once to download tilesets... I think this community is mostly on this board not on the game.. its rediculous... just my thoughts dont know if anyone agrees with me or not .. and i dont mean this against anyone so dont get mad... Bye

Re: "Rebels"
 

Hey, that is a good idea. Why don't you ban people who are against you? RULE WITH AN IRON FIST! NO MERCY. I mean, it seems to fit their tyranical discription of you perfectly. If you are given a reputation, you might as well use that to your advantage, right? ;)

Yea, and I stole Epic's gametypes aswell. Do I give a carpet? :p

Got you suckers!

I am against whole clans. FIGHT ME, YA'LL!

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

A lot of places have leaders indeed but a on-line game shouldn't have leaders of the game itself. This is ridiculous; people don't buy the game to automatically get leaders, everybody has to be equal.
I fully support GG (which is a clan group consisting of CC, TEC, XD and JOL) and I'm in it, but we're no terrorist group at all. See us like CTU, just a clangroup trying to come up for the rights of the clans within, and trying to keep clans and things peaceful and equal at JJ2 and stuff.

I LIEK BOLD TEXTSSS. NARF.

Actually, I think it's the player's personal opinion if he visits the site or not. Noone forces you to visit J2O. Noone forces you to look up to Bobby. In fact, you shouldn't. He's a person just like us with to much money to spend

Like I said, these clans have a right to exist-free speech remember? But the groups (DDL in particular) needn't act like terrorists, crash servers, or spam the forum.(*Cough Canadian778cough*) These groups do have valid points-but if they want to get any kind of positive attention, they really ought to act like civil people.

*comes running in, looks around, grabs some pie, eats it, and starts talking*

This whole anti-DM stuff and anti-J2O is disgusting> I have tp admit, back in the days I wasn't always as happy with J2O, but there is something these 'rebels' need to know: J2O is a FANsite, not a COMMUNITYsite. Just because everyone else is too lazy to create a decent site similiair to J2O doesnt mean you can automatically call this site the 'mainbase' of the game. If you are a rebel and think J2O is biased, I suggest you start your own site. Ow, and php scripting and pay adresses aren't neccesary, Jazz2City didnt have log in feautures either, people can submit downloads, and you can do some stuff about webspace...


Everyone who is stupid enough to be a rebel, I would suggest you shut up, stop trying to take over a game or community (if you rreally think you can do that you are either ret@rded or stuck in Medieval Times, this is a fricking Internet Game, helllooooo!) and start your own site.

There.

Ohh :D Tuff words Splash :)

I never said anything about J2o.. That's not what GG is against, if I were totally against it I wouldn't even go there myself. And I doubt that Jazz2Online itself is a problem to RK either. I don't know about DDL though, but I doubt it. They have something against some people, not against a site.

I can safely say that the GG clangroup (CC, JOL, and XD) will not tolerate the current path these self-proclaimed "rebels" are going down. We fully support the Jazz2Online site and hold no grudes against any clan. This is a sad thing to see, and hope that the "rebels" will change their mind before they do any damage.

Damage? If they are able to deliver some kind of noticable damage to anything, they will get a free pie and a picture with signature from me ;) j/k/ Ooh, I am so scared of those rebels, I mean, they are sooo mean, they hide behind their computers and try to take over an online game..(-) my pants here ;)

Derby: Content edit.

I never get these people that say we're biased and abuse our power for we have never abused our power, I'd think. Do we ban any clans? Do we ban people for no reason?

I should say that the jazz2 community is not run by anyone. You can still interact with groups of jj2 players without visiting the websites.

Anyway, I think I should make it clear that DM does not control jj2. Even if controling websites means controling jj2, most of DM isn't even involved in this kind of stuff. It's mostly just bobby and I, plus a couple of other members who are JDC officials. Most of the clan is not an admin or anything.

RK is right, we will NOT tollerate that JJ2 is in the hands of 1 clan .
so people PLEASE STOP this madness .
I remeber the times that JJ2 whas a safe place with LOT of clans
and now one POWERHUNGRY clan is trying to destroy it . I ask you on more time STOP this madness.

I would like to clarify my previous post:
I meant we are passive, and would never attack servers or hack, not that we support DM. GG is against powerhungry people, but would never resort to the methods the rebels are.

(Trafton: generalization edit.)

The army of volunteering rebels isn't out to taking over JJ2 (maybe DDL is, I dunno), but more like making sure that OTHERS won't do that.
GG is allied with RK now.

Derby: Previous quotation edit.

that's even more pathetic :rolleyes: Trying to prevent people from taking over the game....whoever thinks this stuff happens is probably a huge uberdork, locked up in a basement for alot of years with only Final Fantasy games and Age of Empires. :p

I guess I saw fake-DMs right now. Bobby/EvilMike, I'd like to show you a screenshot. Please contact me.

I was just wondering, what exactly do you people want? I know you want to put a stop to my "crazy powerhungy reign of terror", or whatever, but how do you want me to stop it? Do you want me to close DM? Do you want me to resign as a J2O and JDC admin? Do you want the community sites to be closed off? Do YOU want to be an admin? I don't get it. I have had a bunch of people talking to me about stuff, but they never make it clear what they want.

What we want ?
Don't just kick and ban everyone from J2O because then you are a corrupted admin,Don't make JJ2 an unpleasent place for EVERYONE , and ffs , give other clans a chanse to be big , that is something that you cant do if you want to thake over whole of JJ2 , and besides what would be the fun if you have whole of JJ2 , you don't have a clan to do a war against , because then the only clan wil be DM , think about it , just think about it for a second .
what other clans have done for years now , you would destroy it , for years now clans have tried to make JJ2 a good place , like I said in my earlier post , i remember that time , I am sure the most of you will also remember it , in those day's nobosy wanted to thakeover JJ2 , nobody wanted to hack somebody , and now you want to destroy it ?

Do you understand it now evilmike ? JJ2 is a fun place , let it be like that , and let nobody ever thake control over it , THAT is for what WE fight .

You probably should realize that I don't just let anyone in DM. In fact, the only way to really get into it is to be a friend of the leader. We don't just scoop up any old player we see. It's one of the hardest clans to get into. I don't seek to dominate the entire game. I support the growth of other clans, and I try not to "steal members". I enjoy competition with other skilled groups of players. Currently I am not accepting new members into DM because I feel it is too big.

Also, I don't ban many people from J2O (or JDC for that matter) at all. The last person I banned from JDC was way back in last season when people were posting fake duels, among other exploits. The last person I banned from j2o was several months ago, and that was because he repeatedly posted reviews with a score of 1 and nonsensical content (something along the lines of "not pink enough"). Usually I will only give a warning to people who do such things if it is the first time they do it, although I admit I like to edit things into "I shall wash my mouth out with soap" if they include swearwords. Heh.

I have never wanted to hack someone. I have never wanted to take over jj2. I have never wanted to destroy jj2. The people who have wanted to do such things are DDL, and a few other clans of years ago. I'm not sure if I have had a clone running around or something, because I have never once said anything along the lines of "I want to hack you and destroy you".

I never said YOU wanted to hack somebody , I am only talking to you in the first part , all te rest if to who JJ2 .

Bolt said he'd explain the situation here, but because he's banned here, he'll do it at the CCMB instead. When he has posted, I'll tell you and give the link.

Imho, this tyrany just exists in your mind. The JJ2 community is a great place to meet, play, talk etc.
Get ANYONE from another game to visit this community, J2O, JDC and its board for two weeks only. Then ask him if there is ANY kind of strict constitution in this community. Bet he will vote no if he wasn't biased.

I don't get it. NeoCC, are you accusing us of corruption because we ban and kick people from j2o?

Are you trying to say we want to takeover jj2?

Unhit, that makes no sense. If he or she had an opinion, they would be biased. Asking people that have no idea what you are talking about makes for odd results. ;)

It makes sense. If he was biased, which means i.e. he was a friend of any "rebel" or people that want to change something (as neo), he will vote on "yes" for to "help" them. But if he has no idea about the JJ2 community and their players before, he will vote on "no" after two weeks, because nobody told him before to watch out for the two MAGIC (:p) letters DM.

Mike, don't blame yourself for what comes next.

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